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new idea for speed

August 7th, 2013, 10:45 pm

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Reply stormcasterc, August 7th, 2013, 10:50 pm

this is a new look for speed and he is no longer a forbidden child now he is a chaos weilder and he can bend time space and realality to do stuff no one else can but this is happens during my comic lost world when speed's friends get the help of speed's creator to bring speed back but he's not the same and i wanted to see what you guys think and maybe some help with the sprite sheet because this took me 1 hour and 30 minutes
edit: forget the chaos weilder thing you guys are right its been used to much and bending space and time is too godmod so instaed im just gonna give him just darkness powers and make him a full demon

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Reply Spar Elric, August 11th, 2013, 2:21 pm

Thank you all, for giving actual criticism instead of being flaming ass-hats. :)

And yes, the pose's awkwardness is my fault. That pose is one I commonly use for my works because I hate the default one.

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Reply Zocky, August 7th, 2013, 11:05 pm

Some Harsh Criticism You just took Sonic's hair, colored it yellow, then flipped it upside down didn't you? That looks really ugly, not to mention extremely lazy. Taking Sonic's default quills, coloring them red and then taking the same quills, coloring them yellow, then pasting them upside down behind the sprite doesn't make edited quills. It makes red default quills with yellow upside down default quills behind them. Plus his shoes and gloves are also the same as Sonic's. Is this sprite not finished or did you just leave them the same on purpose? Heres some C+C:

-Actually EDIT the quills, don't just recolor and paste, it looks terrible, overdone, and, as I have already said, very, very lazy.

-His right arm (our left) looks very stiff and unnatural, try making it look less outstretched. Maybe curve it a bit, so it looks like his hand is resting on his waist.

-His clothes look extremely tight and unconvincing. The shading on the pants is a little too dark, it's hard to define the legs. Work on the shading and try to split his legs apart. If an actual man...hedgehog...thing, stood with their legs that close together their thighs would crush their own testicles.

-Edit the shoes. Unless your character has a reason for wearing Sonic's shoes, edit the shoes.

-Edit the eyes and his brow more, and try editing the muzzle. This should make your character look less like a red Sonic and give him more of his own face.

On a side note, you should also work on your capitalization and your punctuation. I know I'm being harsh here but don't mistake this for a flame. I just give criticism harshly. "Nice" criticism isn't good criticism.

Reply Draven22, August 8th, 2013, 9:48 am

zocky gave you criticsm on the sprite, now i'll give you criticsm on the powers.....first off, bending reality time and space is not only stupid, its godmod level, and noone should ever be that powerful for a lowly mortal. plus there are way to damn many chaos weilders out there when its supposed to be for a very select few. try something simple like i dunno....basic ligning move or something? seriously you powers are beyond godmod

Reply Syogren, August 8th, 2013, 10:05 am

I would also like to note that the left arm (Our right) looks, for lack of a better word. This isn't difficult to fix: All it requires is another pixel.
Also, the second shade of red looks too dark, and I'd recommend lightening it up a bit. Also, not sure what's going on with his eyebrow.

I would also like to note that, despite the extensive amount of problems with the sprite, it already looks like a VAST improvement over the previous Speed. In essence, I can tell you tried here. All you need to do now is fix what Zocky said and we may have a decent looking hedgehog on our hands. As a sprite.

His powers, despite their god-mod potential, could actually be balanced with enough effort. Maybe there is a limit to what he can do? Maybe he requires an energy source? Maybe there are things he doesn't WANT to do? Seriously, it COULD work if you try hard enough.

Reply stormcasterc, August 8th, 2013, 1:33 pm

@Zocky: i didnt make the sprite i just recolored and edited it slightly from the sprite spar made me:

Reply stormcasterc, August 8th, 2013, 1:34 pm

@kwane: actually more like20 minutes if you dont count me getting destracted by the tv

Reply Zocky, August 8th, 2013, 2:41 pm

@stormcasterc: That does not lessen any of the criticism you have received from me, Draven22, and Syogren. You should still work on this sprite and character. And again, I can't stress this enough, please work on your capitalization and punctuation.

Reply Azure_Kite, August 8th, 2013, 3:04 pm

@Zocky, @Draven22, @Syogren: I'm glad that there are finally some newer (Well from what I can tell) spriters that are able to give great-amazing crit without being complete and utter douchebags.
And just to let you all know I agree with your crits and I am not being sacastic in any way. You guys earn my respect.
And on a final note.
@stormcasterc: Not to be rude, but making him into a full Demon is a bit much, but if you do I would highly recommend not making him a Hedgehog unless you are able to edit in such a way that he doesn't look completely like a hedgehog. I would agree with you giving him darkness powers, but instead of saying he has them because he is a demon, give him a back story which helps to reflect and/or explain how he got his powers.
P.s. The only reason I say I think you guys are newer spriters is because I haven't heard about you. So no disrespect. I would be glad to hear from you and your roots if you would be kind enough to inform about it at your leisure.

Reply Draven22, August 8th, 2013, 3:09 pm

@Azure_Kite: oh well its ok, i've been here for two years i think and i'm not very well known. i work mainly with foxes, but for the sake of spar's comic, you can pm me if you want

Reply Azure_Kite, August 8th, 2013, 3:24 pm

@Draven22: Hmm I thought that would be it. Tho everyone has to start somewhere. I haven't seen any of your stuff, but you give some pretty good crit on basic powers.

Reply Draven22, August 8th, 2013, 3:28 pm

@Azure_Kite: well i work well when coming up with backstories and powers, always giving them limits that tie in with the background. when it comes to spriting...i still have a long way to go

Reply Zocky, August 8th, 2013, 4:07 pm

@Azure_Kite: I've been on SJ for over 3 years but I never did much. This is a new account, my old one still exists but is no longer in use. I wouldn't bother looking for my old profile, there are no comics or showcases to be found on it. I never was much of a spriter, but if theres anything I know, it's what a bad sprite is. Trust me, I've made enough terrible sprites to at least know what NOT to do. I'm far better at giving C+C for comics then sprites, since I'm actually decent at comics, but sometimes I see stuff like this and I just have to point out the flaws.

Reply Azure_Kite, August 9th, 2013, 12:09 am

@Draven22: Oh I see. Well send me some of your work and I might be able to help you a bit. I've been around for a while and I've gotten significantly better. If I told you my old account you MIGHT remember me from before I left and came back on this new account a few weeks ago :3

@Zocky: Aha. Now I know just the person to come too when I need some crit on my comics when I restart again. :3

Reply Draven22, August 9th, 2013, 10:43 am

@Azure_Kite: oh ok, i will though i do wonder who you were before on your old accounr

Reply Syogren, August 11th, 2013, 8:40 pm

@Azure_Kite: Well I'm glad that you apreciate me not being a jerk, because I'm apparently not "harsh" enough with my criticism. Frankly, it's not just about being constructive or destructive. You still have to say it in a nice way. Otherwise, they will just hate you as opposed to actually listening to you. When that happens, they'll NEVER get better.

Reply Zocky, August 12th, 2013, 4:56 pm

@Syogren: People who can't handle harsh criticism don't deserve constructive criticism in the first place.

Reply Syogren, August 15th, 2013, 12:10 pm

@Zocky: We'll work up to that. But we don't want to be the last generation of spriters, do we? This is the internet, where social skills do not exist. Thus, it is necessary to do what it takes to produce better spriters. And if it means that we have to suck up to noobs and put a positive spin on everything, then we should do it. Yeah, I'm aware that people shouldn't be as sensitive as they are. But they are. It's just how it works.

I just want to see people become good spriters, and I don't see how driving them off is gonna help. I'm aware that you aren't TRYING to do that, but I fear the worst...

Reply Zocky, August 15th, 2013, 2:48 pm

@Syogren: I get what your saying, and you make some good points. I'm not trying to counter-argue here, I just wanna explain how I see it: "Nice" criticism isn't good criticism, because when you think about it, is there really any "nice" way to tell someone their work is flawed and needs improvement? I understand criticism can upset people, I've upset people with my harsh criticism many times before. But as long as the criticism is constructive, as long as it tells them how to improve rather then just bashing them, then they shouldn't complain. And I understand some will complain, but those who do just are not mature enough yet to see their flaws and improve their work.

Reply Draven22, August 15th, 2013, 4:09 pm

@Zocky: i agree with you on that zocky, i take alot of harsh criticism and i always ask for them to rip into my sprites so they point out all the flaws. i try my best to fix them, but if i got "nice criticsm" i would be at my starting point still which was horrible

Reply Spar Elric, August 17th, 2013, 3:27 am

@Zocky: There isn't a "nice" way really. But, there is a "polite" way that doesn't make ya sound like a jerk. :)

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